Wednesday, December 29, 2010

crammasters's words Part 2 (Controversial, Yet Accurate information)

Jan 31, 2010 01:09 PM
REPLYING TO crammaster ON Jan 16, 2010 02:40 AM Link Back
"Trojan Horse - Death of a Dark Nation" is a MUST read.
It'san EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, read Crammaster. It's abook that you don't won't to put down. I applaud both you and your co-authors for a bookwell researched, thoughtout, and written.
Crammaster, when I can read a book thatTOTALLY consumes me,AND brings me more AWARENESS, thatmakes me ANGRY,makes me CRY, and even makes me LAUGHand to think aboutwhat400 years of white power and howRacism and WhiteSupremacyhas has greatly IMPACTED Black People today on EVERY level.It'slike the 327 pages isn't enough. You want more.
Reading "Trojan Horse", Itook my time. I RE-READ sentences, paragraphs, and even total chapters that were so on point! You wonder sometimes are you the only personseeing this "brutal attack" onBlack People.
Well Done!
Q? Chapter 49 - Are you the "Man in the Mirror"?
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Jan 31, 2010 05:54 PM
REPLYING TO REDHEELS ON Jan 31, 2010 01:09 PM Link Back
Redheels,


Also, we're working on the 2nd book, which is halfway finished, about BM/BW relationships and it's along the same vein as Trojan Horse. It's no Steve Harvey relationship-type book, and we don't talk about dressing up for your man and getting all "shiny"


We talk about what we think is the biggest source of conflict in our relationships and some of the things we need to understand before we can overcome our African Holocaust.


I'll keep you posted.


If you want to contact me via my email, shoot me an email from our website and join our mailing list I'll make sure (no matter what happens on this site)


that you are among the first to know about book #2.
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Dec 05, 2009 11:34 PM
REPLYING TO wkingsolomon77 ON Dec 05, 2009 06:15 AM Link Back
And so are your posts. You are kind where I am blunt.
I have lost my patience with these lost, showcase negroes that are paraded before us as "role models."

I explain to my sons and daughters that money is NOT the measure of a man -- or a woman. I let them know that doing anything for money is a sure recipe for misery and disaster. I let them know that RICH PEOPLE are a lesson in life and teach us all that money DOES NOT BUY HAPPINESS and does NOT solve every problem in life. Otherwise there would be NO rich, drug addicted, sex-addicted, messed up, monked-up, jacked-up, mentally ill, eat-a-holic, or divorced RICH PEOPLE.

I go even further and I do not let the TV babysit them. I do not allow them to watch videos that I know nothing about. And if they have questions, I give them honest, not baby-fied, answers.

My blood offspring will not grow up thinking grass is blue, or the sky is green, or that the WM is God. They will know what time it is and will be stronger for that knowledge. I take a cue from the Jew, when he teaches his children about anti-Semitism. No one would dare accuse the Jews of teaching hate.

They know KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.
Feb 03, 2010 01:19 PM
REPLYING TO tmsine ON Jan 18, 2010 04:24 PM Link Back


ME: And this is what I fight against, this manufactured war between BM and BW. I can see (and feel) the increasing DISCONNECT between us because we do not understand that we are being programmed to fight each other.


I understand why you feel that way, sister, but we are in this together. When the system attacks one of us; it attacks all of us . Am I saying you should defend BM like Tiger Woods? Hell no, I don't defend him, but I recognize what he failed to recognize:


t hat no amount of white p____y or interracial marriages, or bi-racial babies, etc will change his RACE or his SKIN COLOR or the fact that he is a n____a in America.


And what you see on these boards is the same kind of ILLUSION OF INCLUSION that some BM and BW are seeking when they put down their own race,


but they will find, just like Tiger, that their obvious displays of SELF-HATRED AND SELF-CONTEMPT can be seen by EVERYONE but themselves. Everyone else sees it for exactly what it is: LOW SELF-ESTEEM.


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 CaliFemme23
Female, 32, Adelanto, CA
Posted August 17

And the funny thing about whites that are obsessed with black people in the sexual sense, (really thats the ONLY sense in which they lean to us), is the FACT that if a black person isn't interested in being with one of them, they have the NERVE to call us RACIST!

That is the problem as well. Black people haven't truly learned the meaning of racism/racist, they are STILL stuck in the 'white definition' of it, so they embrace whites just to NOT be seen as such...

Its a shame that black people feel like as long as they are willing to sleep with whites, they aren't racist people. When in actuality a black person CAN NOT be racist nor practice racism...

But a black person will give you holy hell if you even try to tell them that whites are racist...BUT will agree wholeheartedly about someone like ME or you being racist, when we have exuded not one quality, ability nor trait....

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Dec 05, 2009 06:50 PM
REPLYING TO crammaster ON Dec 04, 2009 10:09 PM Link Back
To Crammaster-
" The self-hating, ignorant of knowledge of self, black male does not see his dilemma because he is blinded by the need for white validation, and does not see that we are the ONLY MEN on the planet who do NOT understand the power and protection of ethnic unity = black man + black woman" THANK U! THANK U!! THANK U!!!
This is the best summation I've ever read/heard coming from abrotha. It makes mehappy that there're brothas like you out there whoare intelligent enough to see the traps.Your statement holds true and true, no ifs & buts about it.How come bm aren't learning that their actions are bringing down their own ethnic foundation. A HOUSE DIVIDED IS A HOUSE CONQUERED...
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Dec 07, 2009 06:54 PM
REPLYING TO wkingsolomon77 ON Dec 07, 2009 06:39 PM Link Back
say what??? drugs & alcohol?

say it ain't so!

the almost funny part is it's BW who get slammed the most on these threads for being gold-diggers and materialistic

YET

when these white females get all the house negro male's loot -- and there's a list of them as long as today's unemployment lines -- these BW-bashing posters are strangely SILENT....

Not a peep

obviously some think it's normal to enrich the white -- not the black -- community.

there's a lesson in every post on this site, if you think about them long enough...

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Also, you make a good point when you said:

There are 3 kinds of BM and BW,those who make things happen,those who watch what happens and those who wonders what happens.

Food for thought...


PS Thanks for the info about Tiger and the NAACP. Hadn't heard about that
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Note by ME: I don't believe that most West coast brothers and sisters are sellouts like that, but I get the point.
By Timothy
Dec 09, 2009 01:31 AM
REPLYING TO wkingsolomon77 ON Dec 08, 2009 10:15 PM Link Back
check this out

occasionally I experiment posting in west coast forums like Seattle, San Fran, LA, Denver, etc. and if the post has anything to do with race, i almost never get any replies.

The west coast is psychological death for black folks. In my experience, many west coast black folks are so submissive to white supremacy, they act like the white man's eavesdropping on every conversation they have about race. Not surprisingly, the rate of IR, especially for BM, is off the chain.

Those two things seem to go together: unconscious (white-identified) black folks and addictions to white flesh/lovers. IR makes blacks compromise too much, because it is difficult to safely walk the line between OUR black reality and their white lover's white reality. And most white folks do not want to know or hear about what black folks go through and will even act like you're exaggerating about racism when you're being victimized.

These white-identified black folks are deep into denial that in order to keep peace in their IR household they will ignore the signs that their white lovers/spouses are racist, or at least hold a lot of negative opinions about black folks. These black folks think because that white person shares their bed or is hung up on dark meat, that that means they see blacks as equals. Straight BS.

In the book, Trojan Horse: Death of a Dark Nation, there's a chapter called "The Pet Negro Syndrome" which explains this "pet negro" phenomenon, where a white person will accept one black person, but shuns all others as defective.

I remember when this dude, Lee, a BM neighbor, starting dating this white female (who incidentally stole him out from under her black female "friend" (BW start using your heads and STOP bringing these white females around BM -- most are USING you and have NO QUALMS about taking your black man if he allows it)

One day,my lady ran into this white female my neighbor was dating at the grocery store, and they got into a conversation. My lady said, she could tell the white female wasn't comfortable with black people from the things she said and the vibe she gave off.

Cutting to the chase, this white female said to my lady, "I'm so glad Lee is different."

My wife said, "What do you mean, different?" thinking, uh-oh, what kind of BS is coming now?

So, the white female said, "Well, Lee's not like most black guys, he's not ignorant and doesn't use a lot of slang."

My wife said her mouth almost fell open, but she was cool because she wasn't surprised, cause she could tell this female didn't know she was racist.

This BM eventually married her, and i had to wonder, what was this fool a___ BM thinking? He obviously didn't know or didn't care what kind of white female she was, so he got what he deserved, in my book

Some black folks are so hypnotized and brainwashed by white supremacy, they become their own worst enemy, and start identifying with their own oppression, to the degree that they turn against their own race.
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crammastersOnline
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted August 19

@Redalert7 who said, "What I can clearly see is that BM want a woman who will lift him up; especially when he has had a hard days work, he doesn't want to come home to a nagging wife/girlfriend. He wants a woman who will build up his spirits..not knock him down."

ME: Absolutely

Redlalert7: "What women want is "stability and security." They want to feel that when they have a child with this man, he can protect and secure their future. These are primitive instincts. And I think all men and all women want the above."

ME: I also believe that women -- since they are more vulnerable than men especially during pregnancy -- look for security and stability -- REGARDLESS of race. That's the role MEN play in a society, to provide for and protect their women and children. The only time men look to women for security, is when they lack manhood training and have been raised to think and feel and act like a female, hence the dependency on women by many males who have not had fathers OR fathers who trained them in the ways of manhood.



redalert7 said: "The sad thing is that too many black folk would rather believe what whites tell them about themselves, than just taking a stand and being responsible for their own "self." EVERYBODY has bought into the lies/myths about black people?.because we are the most targeted. If a person is barraged with negativity day in day out?.there is bound to be a time when their psyche can't take anymore; they start to take on the monster that is fed to them."

ME: Until we understand what was done to US during slavery --and stop foolishly dismissing our 500 YEARS OF PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE (because white folks told us it wasn't important) -- we will stay confused and blaming each other.

Redalert said: "This is why connecting with each other is important (unity). Unity is strength.......hence the strong will stand for themselves and the weak will fall for anything."

ME: I agree, UNITY is the most powerful weapon the black collective has, which is why the "system" works so hard to keep us apart and pitted against each other...

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Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted August 21

@ _A_ who said,"I saw the lady interviewed and she seems relatively intelligent. However she was asked how long she was married and she responded by saying "three wonderful Years" "wonderful???" really? If that's the case, why are you calling Dr. Laura (probably on hold for 30mins) for advice on this?"

ME: because she's in denial, brother, things didn't get bad all of a sudden, she just had her blinders on EVEN while she was "dating" her WM

_A_: "Secondly, if your husband is allowing these dudes to come over and dis you like that, he has NO RESPECT for you love."

ME: Most WM draw a line in the sand when it comes to race, they might choose that BW over another white individual, but they will NEVER choose her over their white privilege

maybe she was getting too "uppity" and he decided to let his friends put her in WHITE CHECK, like "do u know who u are compared to who we think we are?

and i suspect with the crashing economy, a lot of white folks are taking bigger and better potshots at random black folk, because RACISM always increases during hard economic times. So all the black folk who are convinced that race relations are getting better, u better open your eyes...


_A_: i have listened to Dr. Laura myself on a few occasions, and although I have never heard her go this far, she has come dangerously close on many occasions. Honestly it doesn't bother me one bit.

ME: I listened to her a few times years ago, and she struck me as an arrogant, self-righteous, racist, insecure, full of herself....uh, I won't say the B word cause that's not nice...

however, I think black folk should be WAY past the point of being shocked when a white folk practices racism, unless u live in a cave, it doesn't make any sense...

_A_: When you understand that you live in a world whose foundation is oozing white supremacy like puss from a pigs paw, why should ANY of us be surprised when ANY of it's citizens displays this type of behavior? I'm certainly not shocked by it, because I EXPECT it.

ME: Absolutely...

_A_: "But the real deep thing here is, white people don't see it that way. They will tell you they believe white supremafcy is real, but it's not them, it's always someone else.

ME: u better than me, brother, i can't get no white folk to talk about white supremacy...lol

_A_: For most whites and unfortunately too many blacks believe that white supremacy can only be found with those that wear white sheets. They don't see people like Harry Reid, Jennifer Aniston or Anderson Cooper as white supremacists. This shyt is real deep, deeper than many people realize."

ME: All have practiced white supremacy at various times, (don't know that much about Anniston but i assume anybody white who works in racist Hollywood definitely BENEFITIS from white supremacy

good to see u back, brother...

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Female, 32, Adelanto, CA
Posted August 20

_A_,

Total agreement, especially with your last paragraph. That is a major problem to solving the issue. NO ONE seems to agree on what exactly supremacy is nor racism as a system.


We still have black people STUCK, thinking racism is not liking someone's skin tone! And scarily enough, when you explain racism to blacks, they immediately jump on the defense of whites! Like you said, blacks only think you can find a white supremacist on Stormfront..So not the case, what more blacks need to do is listen to that Omar Thornton story...
He was SURROUNDED by white supremacists with not one white sheet on their faces. That is the amazing part of white supremacy, they don't even have to 'hide' or join a huge group or chapter to hunt black people and terrorize them these days...All blacks have to do is go to work, at the local bar, they call them 'friends', and sadly enough.....Laying next to them in bed....


Great post brother....keep teaching....

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venitabr...
Female, 38, Bedford, OH
Posted August 26

@nodoubt 10,brother blackmen do the same.Some blackmen are more friendly and respectful to white women as they are black women.I see that more than the other way around.Black people are more nice and friendly to whites period.In my profession i have more blacks that think i am automatically a nursing assistant or if i provide educational teaching to a black patient on say diet,medication teaching or their disease process,its as though they dont believe me they need clarification from the white nurse.Black nursing assistance are resistant to my authority,but totally submissive to white nurses.I also have worked with black nurses who will barely speak to me and other black nurses but will break their damn necks to speak and talk to white nurses.So this is a sad reality that we treat,respect and are kind to every other race except our own.You will never see the reverse whites almost always treat their own kind with respect and kindness over blacks.
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nodoubt10
Male, 27, Saint Louis, MO
Posted August 26

Another thing, no one has to actually DATE outside their race in order to experience other cultures. LoL that's lustful thinking to say that someones has to DATE. You can be friends with anyone of another race and still experience another culture without intimacy. Nothing would be different in your learning process of this other culture besides the absence of sex.

I believe Dr. Martin Luther King was saying that we can have integration without assimilation. Meaning entering a society of another race as a Negro and come out of that same
society with your Negro identity.
Integration does not mean assimilating or for this matter being sexually intimate with another race.

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Female, 32, Adelanto, CA
Posted August 26

Nodoubt10, "Another thing, no one has to actually DATE outside their race in order to experience other cultures. LoL that's lustful thinking to say that someones has to DATE. You can be friends with anyone of another race and still experience another culture without intimacy. Nothing would be different in your learning process of this other culture besides the absence of sex. "

Brother I think you just dropped something I haven't heard anyone express before on these blogs/forums. That small paragraph rang loud and clear. I can speak spanish, french and japanese, cook the different foods, learned the cultures, dance styles, listen to some of the music and even have a few in my family...I have YET to date outside my race.

You hit the nail directly on the head when you say WE should be able to indulge and learn of other groups without having to lay with them. That, to me, is where the issues begins and the black ends.....But it also makes you wonder WHY blacks, men and women, feel so inclined to be intimate with others, allow others deep into their personal lives, while at the same time IMITATING others who have absolutely ZERO understanding of who we are as a people. Hence THIS particular blog regarding the caller on Dr. Laura's show...

I think we can both rest our case..lol

Great post!

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Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted August 26

(continued)

THIS is why the TransAtlantic Slave Trade and the African Holocaust were the BIGGEST CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY IN HUMAN HISTORY

Slavery was nothing new, but SOUL MURDER and the DELIBERATE DESTRUCTION AND DECONSTRUCTION OF HUMAN BEINGS was something that had NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE UNTIL EUROPEANS DID IT TO AFRICAN SLAVES.

Europeans put a new and terrible spin on HUMAN SLAVERY when they destroyed the SOUL AND IDENTITY of African slaves to break them down to the extent that they COULD NOT rebuild themselves.

AND THEY ARE STILL COMMITTING THE SAME CRIME WHEN THEY USE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA TO DESTROY THE BOND BETWEEN THE BLACK MALE AND BLACK FEMALE

THIS SHOULD BE A WARNING THAT THE "ATTITUDES" TOWARD US HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE SLAVERY, BUT HAS ONLY UPDATED FOR MODERN TIMES....

folks, it is time to drop the nonsense, open your eyes, pick up a book, turn off the TV and educate ourselves

while there is still time....


crammasters
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted Yesterday

@ ALL

On the second video -- counter mark 4:00 --

Sammy asked Ali: "What does black power mean to you?"

Ali: "Well, to me, black power means, number one, black men respecting and protecting -- with their lives, if necessary -- their women.

Because we are taught by our leader that a man's woman is the field which produces his nation. If he don't protect his field, he'll produce a bad nation."


This should be the BLACK MAN'S NATIONAL ANTHEM

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crammasters
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted December 09

@ easy_one

as always, a thought-provoking post that requires us to think

when u said, "How do we compete? How do we counter a daily, non-stop, 24-hour, round-the-clock onslaught of publicity, entertainment, social networking and niche lifestyles that beat us (parents, teachers, concerned adults, etc.) into irrelevance?"
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1. BY TAKING CONTROL OF OUR HOUSEHOLDS and talking to our kids MORE. for example, we have ONE TV, and it stays off 95% of the time. We started our kids off early with reading, we read around them, we've even acted out some of the stories for fun (i know, its corny...lol) and we gave them mostly creative games, that require them to build or make something. We have some videos -- NOT the white supremacist fairy tales most black kids are brainwashed with -- but with nature videos and things that have to do with the REAL WORLD.

Do they complain about other kids having things they don't have? Hell yeah, but those kids are complaining about something else even when they get everything they want...

We talk about it, we teach them about racism/white supremacy and how black females are degraded and black males are demonized and WHY it is happening and now they see things and come and tell me about it, like, "Daddy, why do the white people on the news act like all the people in Africa are starving and don't go to school?"

and i TELL THEM THE TRUTH

for those who think our kids are too young to get the straight dope, let me assure they are NOT. They are as smart as you RAISE them to be.
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2. TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR EDUCATION. My mentor home-schooled all 13 of his children (with the same WIFE), and all his kids went on to college and graduated. Now this is not a practical solution for most folks --

but we can help them with their homework, show up at school and let them know we think their education is important to US, take them to museums, and other trips that TEACH them something...

but that is not enough SO we will have to COME TOGETHER as a community, stop spending all our cash on preacher PIMPS, clothes, alcohol, partying, big homes and luxury cars -- and create our OWN schools

3. STOP FEEDING OUR KIDS JUNK FOOD.

If they are hooked on McDonald happy meals, and Fruit Loops, we did it to them. I know this is tough, especially for single parents or folks who are struggling financially because in many innfer city black neighborhoods, fresh fruit and vegetables are either too expensive OR not readily available.

but that doesn't mean feeding our kids McDonalds for dinner either.

food is the building blocks for a sound mind and body, and if they are not eating good food, their minds don't work right, and they will not do well in school

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brother, the only way to overcome this psychological GENOCIDE of our black kids is for US to get to them before the SYSTEM does...


Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying there are any perfect solutions OR that I have any answers, all u can do is do the best u can do



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crammasters
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted November 30

@ easy_one

another interesting post
I'm going to print this up and read it

the main weapon of white supremacy is DISTRACTION and PROJECTION

getting blacks to blame each other is the GAME,
while the real problem AND the real criminals are whites and the white supremacy system itself

make no mistake about it

@ Rabel_Fibal

a WM has NO ROOM or right to throw any stones when it comes to irresponsibility and the slaughter of innocents


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crammastersJan. 7th, 2010
at 4:03 pm

i respect Mr. Smiley but it is time to move on to REAL SOLUTIONS, that require more than holding symposiums, meetings, marches, picket lines, protests, and other media-intense dog and pony shows where people clap and cheer and go home to repeat the same patterns.
It is time for the REAL HARD WORK AND SACRIFICES: (1) create more stable families by NOT having children outside of marriage; staying at home and out of nightclubs; being faithful to our spouses; putting our children first, which means going to school events, doing homework with them; stop using TV and material things to keep them busy so WE don’t have to spend time with them.(2) stop relying on showcase blacks and politicians and other black “role models” to solve our problems and be “role models” for black children and BE OUR CHILDREN’S ROLE MODELS. (3)stop building mega-churches and start building MEGA-BUSINESSES to employ our people (or accept future 50% plus black unemployment rates). We have too much work to do to listen to any more speeches..



http://www.blackplanet.com/your_page/blog/index.html?profile_id=56914741&profile_name=easy_one65&user_id=56914741&username=easy_one65&m=October&y=2010



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@ tc2ewra who said, "Todays it seems like the "education" we receive makes us bigger and better "tools' for service in the system of white supremacy"

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absolutely right

most of these elite blacks are out for themselves, and have taken up the mantle of white supremacy, hoping they can profit from the exploitation and abuse of their own people.

second, most are afraid of the system, because they have seen the power (and danger) up close and they know these elite whites are nothing to play with

third, a good percentage of them lay down with white folk every night, they feel privileged to socialize with whites, and they PIMP the misery of the black masses

because they no longer relate to their own people and often view them the way a white folk would

from a distance..


-crammasters

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tc2ewra
Male, Age Private, Philadelphia, PA
Posted December 04

@ Crammaster who said "most of these elite blacks are out for themselves, and have taken up the mantle of white supremacy, hoping they can profit from the exploitation and abuse of their own people. "

You are right brother.

Unfotunately oftimes the more "education' we get the more distance we put between us and our people.

This educational system is a vehicle for white supremacy. Its infused with white supremist values, morals, standards and ideals.

Therefore we need a strong sense of self to keep us properly balanced

Far too often we come out indoctrinated
not educated.

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Male, Age Private, United Kingdom
Posted December 05

Actually, the biggest threat to white supremacy is an aware, afrocentric, independent, RESOURCEFUL black family/community with economic resources...

That's why they camped in Africa and took African slaves to their barren lands...

You know the saying, keep your enemies closer than your friends...



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Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted December 05

@ African S who said, "Actually, the biggest threat to white supremacy is an aware, afrocentric, independent, RESOURCEFUL black family/community with economic resources...That's why they camped in Africa and took African slaves to their barren lands... "

Absolutely right. It's not about being "educated"

hell, some negroes act like they're the first black folk to get an education. Folks in my family (who are now deceased) were college graduates back in the 1940s and still couldn't get a good job

ECONOMIC INDEPENDENCE is the ONLY freedom. That means you don't have to rely on ANYONE --especially your enemies -- to put food on the table and a roof over your head

the fact that black folk collectively can't do EITHER, should concern us more than whether our kids can get into fugging Harvard

what is very interesting and very telling (to me) is Adam Clayton Powell criticized the mentality of Harvard blacks before I was born

and we're still having this same conversation today



Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted December 05

@ venita

right, right, (some) educated blacks are the enemy of their people -- which is WHY the white supremacy system gives them scholarships, tenure, good jobs, awards, titles, and offices

their main function is to create the (false) illusion of "black progress"

and their other job is to ride herd on the black masses to make sure no real progress (or grass root leaders) are created

when i ask black folk what the last "first black so and so" ever did for them or for any black folk, all I get is a blank stare

that says it all


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crammastersOnline
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted December 11

@ Venita who said, "I dont think he is white identifed,i do think he has a slave minded mindset,Does that make sense? Hell maybe i am the confused one.lol"

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most black folks are white-identified to some degree (in my opinion, and that includes me), only some folks recognize the symptoms of their illness and some don't

like me, for example, i'll catch myself having a slave-minded thought or reaction to something and i might catch myself and wonder, 'what's that all about? why do i feel the need to impress or reassure this white person?"

Sis, it is impossible to have TB and get completely well when you're still forced to live in a TB ward where u keep getting re-infected....

black folks are trapped in a white supremacy society (america) and we are confused. Some folks are more confused than other folks, that's the real difference...

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crammastersOnline
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted December 11

@ Venita

that's an excellent question

my first impulse is to say no because "white-identified" brings up images of black folk tomming and trying to act "white"

but when u think about it, being "slave-minded" it means we think and act and treat other black folk the same way we saw whites treat us

for example, being "slave-minded" (to me) would be the way some black folk beat the hell out of our kids -- the SAME WAY slaves were beaten and the same way that we were forced to beat and mistreat each other

but would "slave-minded" black folk exist if we had not been the slaves of whites for 400 plus years?

I would say the two things usually mean the same thing, but one may be more visually obvious (white-identified) than the other one where you have to really analyze the behavior of slave-minded black folk to see where their behavior really came from...

(hope that made sense)


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Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted December 06

@ tc2ewra

right, right, right

even during the Civil Rights movement, a good percentage of black folks just wanted those "troublemakers" to go away and stop riling up the white folk

most will wait to see what happens to you
and then after the work is done
will come out of hiding to see how they benefit

(yeah, that's cynical, but human nature being what it is...it is what it is...)

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tc2ewra
Male, Age Private, Philadelphia, PA
Posted December 12

@Crammasters

Interesting answer to the sister.

I see being 'slave-minded" being related to fear. Being afraid to step outside of the place that has been allocated for you. Not wanting to expand an idea, thought or discipline if you think it might upset. White people. Not wanting to do anything that might displease them.

"White identified" I thought had more to with trying to imitate White people. Trying to act like them, think like them, talk like them, govern like them, worship like them etc. Trying to emulate White people.

For some reason these are just the images that come to mind when I hear those phrases.

Certainly I could be wrong.

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_A_May. 2nd, 2010
at 3:16 pm
“There were Jews who profited from the Holocaust, but do the Jews bring that up and say, “hey, since some Jews did the wrong thing, let the Nazis off the hook?”
BEAUTIFUL.
The fact is, all modern day blacks have ever known is oppression. To them it’s not oppression, but just the way life is. How many times will you hear old folks say that you have to work twice as hard just to be looked at as equal. If that’s the case, doesn’t that suggest that the deck is indeed stacked against you? If the response is yes, then I would ask, why aren’t we working twice or 3x as hard to CHANGE that system? Why are working twice as hard, to be accepted into an unjust system? Conversely, modern day whites have never known anything but white supremacy, this is why technically, they are ALL white supremacists. That’s not to say all desire to hang you from a tree etc. because as you stated (and reminded me) some whites recognize this phenomenon, and will even work to reverse it (C.U.R.E). But for people like XS_611 who has had the benefit of being a part of a supremacist system his entire life, it’s really just an after though to him, and this is what makes it a trivial matter in his mind, or as he thinks, something illusionary in ours. Imagine a child that has grown up with money his entire life (proverbial silver spoon) after a while money is just an after thought in his daily and since he has never known a day without it, he can and will always downplay the importance of it. Take those billions away though and see how quickly the perspective changes. Same principle applies. Put these people on the other side of the fence, and the viewpoints change. Ok, XS_611 is going on the “do not reply” list. I’m no longer interested in debating him, because at the end of the day, the struggle transcends these simpletons!
p.s. Lets see what corny response he has to my changing his name.

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crammastersMay. 2nd, 2010
at 1:20 pm

@ _A_
I want to add one more black bone to the white soup regarding black reparations….

If the JEWS can get reparations for 12 years, the descendants of slavery DESERVE reparations for 400 YEARS. And let’s not forget that MY TAX DOLLARS, and my parents and grandparents tax dollars went to pay for the reparations of Jews and the Japanese. Hell, my folks didn’t have anything to do with putting Jews and Japanese into concentration camps BUT BLACK folks still had to pay, right?

So what if some Africans participated in the slave trade? Slavery didn’t make Africa one of the richest nations on earth BUT it certainly made Europe AND America super rich. In fact, neither nation would be as powerful right now, had it NOT been for the slave labor of MILLIONS of enslaved AFRICANS…

AIG, Aetna, Lloyd’s of London, JP Morgan Chase Manhattan Bank, are just a FEW of the huge corporations that STILL exist to this day — benefited from slavery.

Now name me ONE African multi-national corporation that benefited from slavery OR one corporation owned by black Africans that began during slavery and is STILL STANDING…

There were Jews who profited from the Holocaust, but do the Jews bring that up and say, “hey, since some Jews did the wrong thing, let the Nazis off the hook?”

Don’t fall for the hype of these black lackeys, like Harvard Professor Gates, who is paid to do his white masters’ dirty work. Funny thing, for all the loyalty he has shown them over the years, if I remember correctly, the police handcuffed you like a common criminal, didn’t they, Professor Gates?






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Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted July 04, 2010

@ venita

sister, sister, I understand, BUT u must understand, this BLACK GENDER WAR is all by design. It began during slavery and has never let up for over 400 years.

read the posts I posted on that site, and the posts from more sensible brothers, and you will see the same handful of BM who make most of the ignorant comments.

Some of the "posters" on these "black" (white-owned) websites are PLANTS, sister, who are hired to keep the flames going...

also check out this site and you will see I am not in a minority, I'm just more vocal than a lot of BM who will never post anything on line....


Black Men: What We Love About Black Women

http://www.topix.com/forum/afa m/TQRAK6D6A037FEG5L/p34



I am going to post something in the next few days that will be in our second book about IR and the REAL statistics that prove the white media is deliberately distorting what is going on...

we must all make a greater effort to EDUCATE our people instead of throwing up our hands in frustration...
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CaliFemme23
Female, 32, Adelanto, CA
Posted July 02, 2010

Cramm,

Broken records...You and me both, but I can't get tired of hearing my brothers appreciate us...

There are MANY black men who in fact do just that...The media just makes it a point to keep that MAJORITY knowledge oh so quiet...

My sisters really do need to hit your page as well as the links you provide...With all of the black males, (robots I call them), that denounce us day to day, it only takes ONE brother like yourself to let me know whats up!

My strong black father implanted the seeds of just who a black man is supposed to be in this world for his woman and children, and there is nothing that can erase that message..

I love and appreciate each and every one of you...

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http://www.blackplanet.com/your_page/blog/view_posting.html?pid=537280&profile_id=56436292&profile_name=crammasters&user_id=56436292&username=crammasters#bl_comments_anchor

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crammasters
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted August 31, 2010

@ nodoubt

brother, i should be thanking u, you have dropped a lot of GEMS on my posts, including the links to these videos...

I agree, that the BM caller seemed like he was thinking of doing it -- NOT because he wanted to, but he was WEAK-MINDED enough to let that racist white female call the shots

hell, maybe, she's paying the bills and wearing the pants, cause it sounds like she PUNKED HIM OUT, thinking she could get away with that.

Now, try to imagine her being a German female and the dude is JEWISH and his grandparents died in a Nazi concentration camp...and his GERMAN girlfriend wants to play act a Nazi and he plays the concentration camp prisoner, and she wants to "pretend" to torture him and then have sex with him...

can't imagine it, can u? Neither can I...

THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SELF-RESPECT AND HAVING NO SELF-RESPECT AT ALL...


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crammasters
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted August 31, 2010

@ nodoubt

brother, no self-respecting JEWISH man (or woman) would tolerate that behavior, they wouldn't even tolerate a jewish Dave Chappelle making a comedy skit about the Holocaust, the way the black Dave Chappelle did about black civil rights marchers being bitten by dogs.

that' was the LAST time I watched that brother's show. Couldn't believe that sh__. (i'm gonna see if I can find that damn video...and post it to make an example of how far black comedy should NOT go...)

Like Dr. Frances Welsing once said

PEOPLE WHO DO NOT RESPECT THEMSELVES WILL NOT PROTECT THEMSELVES

and when you look at the black community, at the violence, you can understand why.

PEOPLE WHO DO NOT RESPECT THEMSELVES WILL NOT PROTECT THEMSELVES...





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crammastersJun. 4th, 2010
at 8:10 pm

@ MisterUnderstood425
absolutely, what is happening is nothing new. there is nothing new under the sun because humanity never learns from its past — or its past mistakes.
Katrina should have been a wake-up call for blacks in america, but after the coverage died, so did our interest. i believe we KNOW on some level that we will NEVER be considered equal to whites in this nation, but are avoiding facing the truth. They are not going to change a system that benefits white people. Who would? So, that means WE WILL HAVE TO CHANGE
and that doesn’t mean “interracially dating” — that is a certain death sentence for a people who lack unity. Believe this, behind closed doors, whites aren’t telling each other to “date interracially” they’re thinking about WHITE UNITY — and so far, it has helped THEM rule the world!

Changing means we MUST COME TOGETHER, BLACK MALE AND BLACK FEMALE, to raise our children so they will NOT be completely INSANE, and coming together to create a sustainable, safe,and productive environment where being “black” is not a crime; it is an ASSET.

if we do not put that remote down, and stop watching all that “fantasy TV” and start paying attention to what is really happening to our own people — be it unemployment, prisons, foreclosures — and understand that NONE of this is by accident, it is all by design —

we will keep going circles, getting dizzy, asking over and over and over — “what’s going on? why are they doing this to us? When will it stop?” etc, etc.

the answers are there, in books like ours (check out my personal message), in books by Dr. Frances C. Welsing, Neely Fuller, Jr., Haki Madhubuti, and so many other black men and women who sometimes sacrificed careers to bring the truth to the black masses…you can find Dr. Welsing and Neely Fuller on youtube. check them out.

the most powerful weapon blacks have at their disposal, right now, is NOT a new Mercedes, a recording contract, a college degree, or any status or material item

the most IMPORTANT thing we can possess is KNOWLEDGE. We better get some while there is still time, or suffer the consequences…


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SoularFlarezJul. 24th, 2010
at 2:11 pm

CaliFemme23
7-24-2010 1:23 am
Why is it, when black people do these ‘looking for love’ type shows, they are NEVER as ‘classy’ as the “Bachelor’ or the ‘Bachelorette’?
These c___s caught up in this ‘flavor of love’/’what chilli wants’ BS should really stop and think about WHY they have to look like absolute fools, when the SAME producers, (white ofcourse), don’t require this of their own…
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crammasters
7-23-2010 8:17 pm
@ all
did it ever occur to us that we are doing what they WANT us to do?

We let the (white) media goad us into fighting each other over some(false) bullshyt THEY CREATED FOR US

Look at all the reality shows where the black person ALWAYS picks the white person? HAven’t we caught on to this MIND GAME SCAM that is designed to pit BM against BW?

Who CREATES these shows?
Who SCRIPTS these shows?
Who CONTROLS what is said in the “black” articles we fight about?
Who PAYS all these silly male and female negroes to come on TV and clown for the cameras?
Black people?

Hasn’t anybody else noticed that the whites on white reality shows NEVER PICK A BLACK PERSON, But the black people ALWAYS PICK THE WHITE PERSON? Yet some folks are on this thread talking (crazy) about how this black dude with a wedge of wheat grass on his head has the “right” to like who he likes…

Does anybody believe this dude is looking for “true love” with a pack of pitiful, fame and money hungry groupies? Don’t we know these “couples” go their separate ways AFTER the cameras stop rolling (and the checks stop coming)?

Don’t we know he is being PAID to pick who they tell him to pick, the same way New York, Pepa, Chili, Flava Flav, Hot Sauce, Chicken Wing, BBQ Rib, and Mr. Catfish ALL PICKED the (white) folks those producers told them to pick…

instead of getting mad, we should be feeling sorry for these negroes who sell themselves for a TV show and a dollar, because they have NO regard for the POISONOUS images they are selling to black youth: WHITE IS SUPERIOR and NO RESPECT FOR SELF

FUGG ‘EM
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to quote the movie DONT BE A MENACE
“MESSAGE” !!!



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crammasters
Male, Age Private, Chicago, IL
Posted January 15, 2010

One more thing

Integration and assimilation (trying to fit in with whites) cannot be done at the same place and time as black unification.

Assimilation is the OPPOSITE of black unification.

Racial equality is IMPOSSIBLE in a system where whites have all the power and blacks have to ask (beg) for what they need (be it jobs, schools, food, or justice).

Those who disagree AND claim that black folk can concentrate on doing both (seeking integration AND black unification) at the same time...

Take a look around
you'll see how well that's working...





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